Meet Abdul Nasir

by Alex Tran on December 18, 2006 · 2 comments

Abdul Nasir is a Muslim who works at a cerebral palsy clinic somewhere in New York. He and I had some friendly banter back and forth about our respective religions.

In all honesty, I don’t have a clue about Islam so I wasn’t in attack mode when talking with him. Actually, Christians should never be in an attacking mode when witnessing to someone, but I’m sure you understand what I’m saying.

Since I didn’t know much about Islam, my first question to him was what the main tenants of Islam were. He responded with two things.

  1. Allah is the source of everything.
  2. The Koran is the only legitimate spiritual authority.

From here, I thought it was interesting that he began to contrast the authority of the Koran versus the Bible. He focused on how the Koran was able to remain pure while the Bible had been corrupted.

Koran (Purity retained) Bible (Purity corrupted)
Written only by Muhammad. Written by multiple authors with agendas to push.
Always kept in original Arabic. Original text corrupted by hundreds of translations.

I was honestly trying to see what he believed and wasn’t looking for a debate but those points immediately raised some eyebrows in my head, so I brought some of them up.

  1. One author versus multiple does not imply the one author will be more pure and less corrupt than the multiple. Seriously, there’s no way that is even close to a legitimate argument.

    Also, people with agendas to push are usually extremely selfish people. Explain to me why as far as I’ve read and can remember, none of the Bible authors ever talk about things which were for their own gain.

    In fact, they were the opposite. They are people who died for what they believed. They encouraged people to put others first. They faced persecution, yet told believers to submit to those persecuting them.

    Selfish people don’t say “Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15:13)

    There was no agenda to push other than God’s.


  2. What is the difference between the different English translations of the Bible versus the English translations of the Koran? His response to this was that the Koran translations always have the original Arabic text. That’s the only text which is legit, the translations only aid in understanding. He said 100% of Muslims could read Arabic.

    I’m a little iffy on his whole reasoning, but at the same time I could understand how you retain purity by keeping things in their original form. He said Arabic had multiple different words for horse and camel, but English only had one. You lose stuff in translations.

    But at the same time, this is one of the testimonies to the Bible and God himself. Despite the translations, the heart of God is still retained. The power to save and the power to change lives is still there.

    shrug


  3. And I just thought of this one. Abdul was trying to refute the authority of the Bible by attacking it’s purity. Let’s assume the Bible is always retained in it’s original text and you believe the authors don’t have their own agendas to push. So now, the purity of the Bible is on the same playing field as the purity of the Koran.

    And none of those things is a far stretch to believe. We have multiple copies of Bible in its original text/language and I hope I was able to convince you that there is a chance the author’s of the Bible didn’t have an agenda to push.

    So with that, what makes the Koran more authoritative than the Bible or vice versa?

    Now, this is a question I’m going to have to answer myself. The burden of proof is just as much on me as it is on Abdul.

Anyway, this was a nice little primer on speaking with Muslims. He was getting off shift, so he had to bounce on me but he gave me a little book on Islam’s take on Jesus. I’ll have to peruse through it and see what it says.

But you happen to be Muslim and you’re reading this, please feel free to comment on what I posted.

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David 12.27.06 at 4:49 pm

Cool site; i’m adding it to my rotation.

I think Abdul’s right and wrong.

Abdul’s right. the The KJV translation of the Bible is pretty bad in some areas. Scribes taking it upon themselves to ‘brush up’ the word of God and adding their own comments, diverging versions of the Bible developing on their own in the W and the E before being combined, Papal politics impacting the final version. The current NASB and the NIV Bibles aren’t too bad, but there still are more than a handful of verses where we’re really not sure if we have it right or not. See especially concepts of the Trinity, women’s role in church, and Christology. The authors who wrote the Bible were very different people and in some places didn’t even agree on how some events went down (look at how many times the Gospel writers, while referencing Mark, will quote an entire paragraph verbatim and but change a few adjectives or stick in/remove a sentence or two because they have a different memory of how things happened).

Abdul’s wrong. The fact that the Bible was written by different people, often from different viewpoints and often even disagreeing on some small things is very encouraging to me because they agree on all the big things. Paul and Peter, who obviously had a few run-ins back in Rome in the early days, write directing early Christians with the same basic tenants. Matthew and Luke, even though they may disagree with some minor points of Mark’s writings (based on Peter’s preaching), are in agreement with every single important thing. And all of the salvific issues of Christianity remain unchanged, even though the letters of the NT were passed around so many different people groups and re-copied and re-translated. It gives such credibility to the 99% of the text that all of these different authors (allegedly with their own agendas) agree on. On a less technical note, it just feels better too; if all these guys remembered and wrote the exact same thing then it would totally smell like a con job to me. I like seeing the individual personalities and writing styles and audiences; makes me feel like they’re actual people who just happened to be witnessing a diety.

shrugs

In addition to being really long-winded and possibly boring, I realize that I’ve just offended a ton of readers who, being from Jacksonville, are probably Baptist. You were taught that each word of the Bible was infalliable back in Sunday School, weren’t you? Anyawy, sorry if you found this offensive or heretical.

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Alex Tran 01.01.07 at 1:30 am

The tagline for this blog is “appreciating truth.” That still holds if it goes against the status quo or one of the largest Christian denominations. ;)

You’re right though. I can appreciate the Bible more because of it’s “realness.”

By the way, tell Lindsay I said hi. ;)

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